Heard on the grapevine that BMW are issuing a recall on the timing chains for late 07 and 08 E60's. Letters going out to dealers today apparently
That's all I know for the moment
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Heard on the grapevine that BMW are issuing a recall on the timing chains for late 07 and 08 E60's. Letters going out to dealers today apparently
That's all I know for the moment
took them long enough, wonder why they've decided to do it now, i'd imagine they'll be alot of relieved owners..
Only E6x? Not E9x?
I heard everything with the N47 engine. 2008 and 2009 models.Quote:
Originally Posted by soc
I was in Murphy and Gunn BMW today collecting our E60 and one of the lads was saying that it's not a recall, a Quality Assurance program ;)
Parts and labour covered seemly.
That's BMW's way of saying they're doing nothing for those who have had it repaired already.Quote:
Originally Posted by kceire
Be nice if the BMW overlords gave something back to people that had to pay out for this already wouldn't it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave
As a fella that works in test and has done for 16 years, I can only laugh at the terminology being used by BMW here. If it was a QA program, we wouldn't be in this position in the first place with 2L DIEsels - this should've not only been caught at factory, but rectified in subsequent deliveries of models using this engine/timing chain combination. There are zero excuses that this is going on 8 years without formal intervention.
Recall it definitely is, if the above is going ahead.
One thing that just struck me, the issue is still present in 2009, 2010, 2011 & 2012 cars right now. There are plenty of stories floating about on line about failures on even F10 & F30 cars. When does the QA program start for those models?
I wonder if they'll now address the timing chain issue on N42, N43 and N46 petrol engines?
even 2014 cars as well bossQuote:
Originally Posted by rebel.ranter
So should I call M&G and enquire?Quote:
Originally Posted by kceire
No harm I suppose. Ask them are you covered.Quote:
Originally Posted by soc
Only the 2Ltr and not the 3Ltr M57's?
Correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by cormac79
Any more info this lads!! a friend has a e90 estate approaching 100k mile mark
Does he call or go to a dealer!! Or wil he be notified by BMW any info appreciated thanks
Calling a main dealer is proving the best option reported here and on boards where there is another dedicated thread on this issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin46
I have the QA pdf - will upload it asap.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8Igk6_AAUGQZzJncWI5NFo1bk0/view?usp=sharing
Yeah I got that from the dealer and put it in with the service history when getting ours done last month.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dec
Any issue getting it done ? Was the dealer aware and open to it ? I had ruled out late 520d's as my next car but they are most definitely back on the list with this being covered once dealers are happy to carry out the works.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dec
This is brilliant - will be on to M&G tomorrow :)
I rang the dealer about my friend's e90 and got it booked in no bother, they have their procedure to go through depending on mileage, everything over 75,000kms is getting a new tensioner. They check the slack with a dummy tensioner and procede accordingly whether it just be a tensioner or chains etc. If any chains get done, an oil and filter change is included as part of the replacement. Had great help from Frank Keane's in Black rock getting it sorted.
Yep and in some cars (mine included), gearbox oil replaced, coolant flushed and replaced too.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRev
My 320d went into Aherns yesterday morning at 9am, report at 1600 was that top chain had been replaced and they had started on the other, will update in a few days when I get it back
Can you detail your cars age, maintainence history and mileage? Indy or main dealer or combination of both? Conflicting reports on what is and isn't being addressed.Quote:
Originally Posted by barberarot
Purchased in UK at 55k mls, dealer up to that, then Indy here every 10k since , currently 102 k on it, only trouble since purchase was dmf so fitted clutch etc aswell
Got car back 3pm Wednesday, both chains and associated bits done, with oil change, sounds better alright, no written record provided though, suggested to me that the records are where they ought to be, with themselves.
That seems to be the protocol by bmw in general not just aherns ! Are you living an the area btw ?Quote:
Originally Posted by barberarot
About 40 mins drive away
Just wondering did I know you or the car but I doubt it now:smiling:
When Conlon's did my F10 in late March I got an invoice detailing the work with a zero price line item cost. This was done at just about the same time that the QE changes were made known so there might be a different protocol under QE.Quote:
Originally Posted by barberarot
You could ask them for a letter confirming the works were carried out. My dealer gave me a letter but same as yourself, no detailed records etcQuote:
Originally Posted by barberarot
I expressed an interest in written proof of works carried out in the event of a sale opportunity arising
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But the reply was that a phone call to themselves would serve the purpose equally
I contacted M&G - 2008 320D LCI model (177bhp) and apparently it's not on the system as one of the cars affected by the recall. Surely that can't be the case?
Do I need fight this with them - I guess I could also check with Joe Duffy.
Anyone know if the fact I imported the car from the UK in 2010 would matter? I can't see why it would.
It didn't matter in my case
I talked to BMW Ireland - apparently not all N47 engines are not affected. Honestly not sure I buy that - extract from the email is below.
"I have checked our systems and can confirm that there have been no Technical Campaigns raised against your vehicle.
I can confirm that there is currently a Quality Enhancement (QE) for the timing chain tensioner, however not every vehicle fit with the N47 engine is effected.
Should you have any concerns with your vehicle, we can only advise that you arrange to have your vehicle inspected at your nearest or preferred BMW Approved Centre, who from experience and from a practical perspective is in the best position to assist you.
"
Should I just rock up to M&G and ask for an inspection of the chain? I wonder if that is what BMW Ireland are trying to subtly suggest.
Probably should but make sure there will be no charge first
My car went in this morning and they are only replacing the tensioner, it seems to me that this will only put off the inevitable chain failure. Does anyone have the specs of when just the tensioner should be changed and the chain?
Not sure if its linked here, but the QE document states the criteria for the various levels of repair/replacement. I can't recall the exact numbers but if the recorded mileage was below a certain level then only the tensioners would be done (presumably on the basis that the tensioners are the root cause and that the chain degradation is a consequence) and above that mileage then the extent of replacements would be based on measured tolerances, etc.