e34 M5 Vs f10 M5

Which would you prefer and why???

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I'd have to go f10. Purely because I've been in one and they're unreal, really like the e34 but (gonna get lashed for this) they're a good bit down on my m car cool list, sorry

I'd have the E34 if it came with that phone :D

The F10 is just too big for my tastes though, and possibly too much technology. The only car I can think of that I truly desire which is bigger than the E34 is a G-wagen!

F10 for me too, and in 5-7 years when some poor bastard has lost his shirts and pants on one il buy it off him!

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Originally Posted by michael320

F10 for me too, and in 5-7 years when some poor bastard has lost his shirts and pants on one il buy it off him!

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And then you'll loose your shirt and pants because the warranty will have ran out. The very thought of a modern BMW without a warranty scares the beejeeus out of me.

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I'd have the F10.

Progress is progress.

And I actually thinks its a much better looking car.

Would have to have the Performance Pack on it as that extra 10hp makes all the difference. :P

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Originally Posted by michael320

F10 for me too, and in 5-7 years when some poor bastard has lost his shirts and pants on one il buy it off him!

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And then you'll loose your shirt and pants because the warranty will have ran out. The very thought of a modern BMW without a warranty scares the beejeeus out of me.

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I'd have the F10.

Progress is progress.

And I actually thinks its a much better looking car.

Would have to have the Performance Pack on it as that extra 10hp makes all the difference. :P

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Agh jesus....here we go again... :D

In all the BMW's ive had in the last number of years only one had a warranty and they wouldn't fix the problem it developed because they couldn't figure out what was wrong....Bollocks to that, and never again...

Actually.... I hope people are less inclined to buy cars with no warranty in 5-7, it'll make it cheaper for me!

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Originally Posted by michael320

F10 for me too, and in 5-7 years when some poor bastard has lost his shirts and pants on one il buy it off him!

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And then you'll loose your shirt and pants because the warranty will have ran out. The very thought of a modern BMW without a warranty scares the beejeeus out of me.

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I'd have the F10.

Progress is progress.

And I actually thinks its a much better looking car.

Would have to have the Performance Pack on it as that extra 10hp makes all the difference. :P

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Agh jesus....here we go again... :D

In all the BMW's ive had in the last number of years only one had a warranty and they wouldn't fix the problem it developed because they couldn't figure out what was wrong....Bollocks to that, and never again...

Actually.... I hope people are less inclined to buy cars with no warranty in 5-7, it'll make it cheaper for me!

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Have you popped the bonnet on one of the new cars yet??

Just make sure you have a good nappie! :P

I spent the weekend under the bonnet of one, an engine is always going to be an engine....

Unless in under the bonnet of the yellow merc off top gear the other night

Theres a wiring loom going to the throttle body/intake manifold area on my M135i. This loom is similar in size to the entire engine loom that feeds into the ECU of my E36 M3 and on the M135i this is just for the gubbins on the intake.

Ad engine is just an engine.

But theres a hell of alot more things bolted to modern engines as compared to old.

Anyway F10 M5 FTW! :cool:

And hopefully nobody will have put too many miles on them all so we can buy warranties for them. lol

honestly anyone that says they would have an e34 m5 over an F10 is talking pure shite ,

if it actually came down to it and you were offered the keys , and told to pick one, its nice to say i prefer the styling of the E34 or that i like the retro look etc but youd want to be fully mental to chose a e34 over the F10
twice the power
twice the economy
30 times more valuable
30 times more comfortable
mental v8 sound
etc
etc


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retro appeal

Don't know if it's as simple as that though Davy. Leaving aside the value aspect, in terms of pure driving I'd like to know if the F10 has actually moved the game on. Faster yes, but better?

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Originally Posted by Davy_b

honestly anyone that says they would have an e34 m5 over an F10 is talking pure shite ,

if it actually came down to it and you were offered the keys , and told to pick one, its nice to say i prefer the styling of the E34 or that i like the retro look etc but youd want to be fully mental to chose a e34 over the F10
twice the power
twice the economy
30 times more valuable
30 times more comfortable
mental v8 sound
etc
etc


vs

retro appeal

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I wouldn't agree by a long way.
By that logic everyone would prefer an e90 m3 to an e30
The e30 is in a different league.
Also the performance of these newer cars Is not usable in a daily basis.

I would also take an e34 over an f10 any day

The f10 will lose 15k a year in value also and the e34 will not lose anything. Possible go up.
Any newish bmw I have driven have been more uncomfortable. Run flat tyres, nurburgring times etc have ruins a lot of them.
The f10 has a very poor sound due to beign turbocharged and they actually have to artificially produce a sound into cabin. S38 sounds better any day

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honestly anyone that says they would have an e34 m5 over an F10 is talking pure shite ,

if it actually came down to it and you were offered the keys , and told to pick one, its nice to say i prefer the styling of the E34 or that i like the retro look etc but youd want to be fully mental to chose a e34 over the F10
twice the power
twice the economy
30 times more valuable
30 times more comfortable
mental v8 sound
etc
etc


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retro appeal

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I wouldn't agree by a long way.
By that logic everyone would prefer an e90 m3 to an e30
The e30 is in a different league.
Also the performance of these newer cars Is not usable in a daily basis.

I would also take an e34 over an f10 any day

The f10 will lose 15k a year in value also and the e34 will not lose anything. Possible go up.
Any newish bmw I have driven have been more uncomfortable. Run flat tyres, nurburgring times etc have ruins a lot of them.
The f10 has a very poor sound due to beign turbocharged and they actually have to artificially produce a sound into cabin. S38 sounds better any day

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Have you heard an F10 M5 in the flesh???

Have you heard any of the new turbo-charged M's in the flesh?

If anything the Turbo's have added to the soundtrack and not taken anything away. The noise in the cabin is enhanced through the stereo due to the reduction in induction noise however the exhaust note is in NO WAY compromised!

I have yet to see an E34 M5 that doesnt need money spent on it. Even low mileage cars. So to say you wont loose money on them is wrong because they will most certainly cost you money in up-keep and maintenance whereas all this is covered in the cost of the new car/warranty.

I'm in no-way saying the F10 is the cheaper option but for this compariosn you have to compare like for like.

So just imagine if you have the choice of a brand new E34 M5 or a brand new F10 M5. Then what would you pick?

No I haven't heard a new f10 so I m not really in a position to comment alright. Most reviews I have read though are not very positive about the sound

As for maintenance I have my e30 m3 about 7 years and it has cost me less than 1000 euro in maintenance in that time. Yes a bit simpler in design but still similar era car. In that time it has increased in value 10 grand. You will still have to pay for service on the f10 which I imagine is not cheap.

I know this whole thing is not about money, I was just replying to a post above.

Of course people will have different opinions. If not they would never sell any new/old cars.

f10 for me also, I think this sounds fairly meaty.

http://youtu.be/VroCYCsHMiM

alright taking price completley out of it .

scenario is you are offered the keys to 2 cars , you must pick 1 , it will be your car for the next 3 years then you hand it back . all expenses paid for , fuel, maintenance, tax , insurance the lot . one is to an F10 M5 the other to an E34 M5


are you seriously saying youd take an E34 M5 ?

i couldnt . dont get me wrong i love the E34 M5 its gorgeous , but to take it over an F10 M5 is madness . technology moves on cars improve . in 30 years time the F10 will be looked at in the same way the E34 is today and there will be a new top dog which (in the eyes of the interweb people) wont be a patch on what the F10 was , etc . people always look with nostalgia towards old cars . and sometimes it overtakes sense.

as for the sound of the new m5 its being compared to a V10 thats why they say it doesnt sound as good. it never will on full tilt but around town a V8 sounds awesome and still sounds unreal on full tilt

Yes if it was your only car and you had to use it everyday and do a lot of mileage then I would say most people would chose the f10. I'm not sure what I would do. Possibly the f10 then.
But if it was a second car / fun car I would have a really nice e34 over the f10

I can't see there being many f10s around in 30 years time. I think they will be impossible to keep right and will cost an absolute fortune to maintain.
The e39 m5 is the last one I would be comfortable with owning into the future as they are the last of the fairly straight forward m5's.

S38 sound pretty epic with the right exhaust on it [THUMBS UP SIGN]

Same as that, if it was just a straight choice between the two then yes I'd still go for the E34. I think it looks better, and is a better size while still being able to fit 4 people in comfort. Plus for me its simplicity is a major advantage

Now an E34 M5 or an E90 M3 and I'd have to think a bit harder...

If we were talking about small, nimble, performance orientated cars then I might agree that the older car with hydraulic steering and cable based throttle, manual gear box and servo-hydraulic brakes might be the more 'enjoyable' car to drive.

But we're talking about M5's. What is an M5 - an M5 is a fast, luxury saloon designed to carry people in comfort at high speed. In this function the E34 cant even be compared to the M5 in anything other than they carry a similar badge.

Yes but you can't drive in comfort at high speed in this country. If I lived in Germany then my answer above might be different

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Yes but you can't drive in comfort at high speed in this country. If I lived in Germany then my answer above might be different

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You can Dave, all the autobahns in this country start with M. M50, M3, M4 and so on:D

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Yes but you can't drive in comfort at high speed in this country. If I lived in Germany then my answer above might be different

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So you'd have neither M5 then? :P :D

Cummon lads lets see the love for the new stuff. We need to keep these factoris in Germany open! lol

If handed the keys to both id be going out in the f10 and im a massive fan of the older styling but the f10 is a beast in its own right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7krRnGN_vWU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Old skool all the way for me. As said new cars are all plastic and over complicated tech.

New is grand and all that but it's loosing the soul that was the attraction in the first place.

The original question was which would you prefer not which is best.
The e34 could not match the f10 in any department probably but that wasn't the question.
To go for a bit of a blast in this country the e34 would be much more fun to me. Hence my decision. I also prefer the look of the e34 and the suppleness of the suspension and the steering / brake feel towards e60 and on bmw's.

I also think everyone should be free to have an opinion and not be told they are "talking shite if they do not prefer an f10"

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Originally Posted by DaveG

I also think everyone should be free to have an opinion and not be told they are "talking shite if they do not prefer an f10"

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Well said

Agree with Dave. For an engaging spirited drive I would have the E34 M5. At least the performance and power can be exploited to some degree here and it's an all time classic. Of course for me it would have to be a very tidy E34 M5. Admittedly I drive not driven an F10 M5 but I have driven a few E34 M5s including a very special one only today and think they are such a special car. You can feel what's going on, you can hear that Motorsport engine and feel part of the mechanical process.

I regularly have the E60 M5 v E39 M5 discussion with people too and it's the E39 wins everytime for me, even though I like E60's.

e35 m5 for me, I like a car you have to push on, I reckon the f10 is nearly too fast for messing about.

But I do like the older stuff so was always going to be the e34. I also love the fact its the last of the hand built M's

Im glad we don't all agree, its nice to hear different sides to the questions and peoples ideas.

Im sorry daveg I didnt mean to offend anyone . But I still find it impossible to believe . That if it actually came to it anyone would honestly choose the e34. But honestly. Looking at your posts . Not just on this but on Other topics. Are you totally anti modern cars / modern technology ?

No offence taken at all. Good to have a debate. But as you can see 5 people already have said that they would prefer the e34.

I'd say if you asked the ordinary person on the street 99 percent would take the f10.
I think in enthusiast circles though there will be a large amount who will go for the e34.
As Andy and Chris have said there is a lot of enjoyment in pushing these older cars on.
I have an e39 m5 and have never felt that I have pushed it to the limit outside Mondello. I don't get much enjoyment out of driving it and very early bring it out whereas the e30 m3 or e36 m3 get brought out for any sort of excuse at all.

I'm not anti new cars but am not that mad about some of bmw direction
I don't like the idea of turbos on m cars. I do understand that things are being pushed that way. Also weight and size has gotten out of hand.
I do like the m135 direction alright. Much nearer to e30 m3 philosophy.

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If we were talking about small, nimble, performance orientated cars then I might agree that the older car with hydraulic steering and cable based throttle, manual gear box and servo-hydraulic brakes might be the more 'enjoyable' car to drive.

But we're talking about M5's. What is an M5 - an M5 is a fast, luxury saloon designed to carry people in comfort at high speed. In this function the E34 cant even be compared to the M5 in anything other than they carry a similar badge.

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With one small addition, in that it can "shrink" around you when pressing on! I'd like to know if the F10 can do that, because the E34 can from what I've experienced. It'll never turn itself into an M3, but it seems to be able to hide its weight and size very quickly down a sweeping single-lane road

They have said that about every m5 jeff . Includeing the F10. That when your driving them on they shrink around you but I Think thats half the peoblem here . We are all only baseing our opinions on what we have read. As non of us have driven the F10 M5 .

Valid arguement dave . Cant disagree with what uve said there .
Agree with the way cars are getting too big and heavy . But the way the world is going they need to compete and people now demand more room and more tech .if bmw didnt supply . They would prob go out of business.

Really wish bmw would make a supercar though. Instead of this tree hugging shite

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Old skool all the way for me. As said new cars are all plastic and over complicated tech.

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You've never sat in a new m5 so. Lol

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Think thats half the peoblem here . We are all only baseing our opinions on what we have read. As non of us have driven the F10 M5 .

Valid arguement dave . Cant disagree with what uve said there .
Agree with the way cars are getting too big and heavy . But the way the world is going they need to compete and people now demand more room and more tech .if bmw didnt supply . They would prob go out of business.

Really wish bmw would make a supercar though. Instead of this tree hugging shite

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That's correct. What bmw is driven by is what the general public want. The enthusiast makes up too small a portion of their sales for them to bother about.

I have a thing for the e34 and even more after driving Jeff and Barts one in Blaney. I don't like the way the F10 M5 has the fake sound pumped into the cabin I think it is going too far, still don't get me wrong it is a great fun car especially watching God trying to let his breakfast from come up in the Ring taxi was fun.

The M5 is a autobahn cruiser not suited to tracks like Mondello.

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I have a thing for the e34 and even more after driving Jeff and Barts one in Blaney. I don't like the way the F10 M5 has the fake sound pumped into the cabin I think it is going too far, still don't get me wrong it is a great fun car especially watching God trying to let his breakfast from come up in the Ring taxi was fun.

The M5 is a autobahn cruiser not suited to tracks like Mondello.

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Ha ha
Hangover + sub 8 minute lap with Frits + back seat passenger lap in the taxi. Think God done well to hold it all down:shy:

Neither driven or sat in either...

F10 :P

I've been giving this some more thought.

And I still pick the F10 as it has to work so much harder for its market segment now.

Even though M5's started with the E28, it was the fact that BMW made a 2nd M5 in the E34 which gave the rest of the manufacturers a boot in the ass to make thier own version. So Mercedes went running to Porsche for help to develop the 500E and Vauxhall had to bring in Lotus to develop the Carlton. But that was it. The E34 only had 2 cars to compete with in the super saloon sector.

The F10 gets attacked from all angles by Mercedes E class AMG, Audi's RS6, Jaguar's XFR, Vauxhall VXR8, etc etc (there are more). And it still comes out on top.

The E34 just had to be fast and great to drive.

All new M5's have to be faster and better to drive than everything else.

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I've been giving this some more thought.

And I still pick the F10 as it has to work so much harder for its market segment now.

Even though M5's started with the E28, it was the fact that BMW made a 2nd M5 in the E34 which gave the rest of the manufacturers a boot in the ass to make thier own version. So Mercedes went running to Porsche for help to develop the 500E and Vauxhall had to bring in Lotus to develop the Carlton. But that was it. The E34 only had 2 cars to compete with in the super saloon sector.

The F10 gets attacked from all angles by Mercedes E class AMG, Audi's RS6, Jaguar's XFR, Vauxhall VXR8, etc etc (there are more). And it still comes out on top.

The E34 just had to be fast and great to drive.

All new M5's have to faster and better to drive than everything else.

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