E60 Service Reset After Pro Nav Retrofit

My cousin got a Pro Nav retro fit recently.
All,fine until he carried out some service work.

Usually you can manually reset each item in the iDrive with the press of a few buttons but it won't work of some reason.

Mr. Healy tried it with his PC after he done some work, and IIRC it reset but the warnings cam straight back on a hour or two later.

Anybody ever come actors this?

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My cousin got a Pro Nav retro fit recently.
All,fine until he carried out some service work.

Usually you can manually reset each item in the iDrive with the press of a few buttons but it won't work of some reason.

Mr. Healy tried it with his PC after he done some work, and IIRC it reset but the warnings cam straight back on a hour or two later.

Anybody ever come actors this?

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Both the brakes and micro filter lights came back on Keith? Yeah they wouldn't reset the normal way even after a battery reset so I used the GT1 to reset them. On the first attempt it didn't work but on the second one it did. Very, very odd!

Seems odd, sounds like a trip back to the installer is on the cards. Hopefully it can be sorted with recoding

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Seems odd, sounds like a trip back to the installer is on the cards. Hopefully it can be sorted with recoding

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normally John, thats what i would consider, but the "installer" is saying he wants €20 for a service light reset. I had to stop my cousin going over to his house late last night, he was fuming!

Conor,

Keith just called me there. The brake pads service light has stayed off, the one you reset. Did you reset the Microfilter service item?

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normally John, thats what i would consider, but the "installer" is saying he wants €20 for a service light reset. I had to stop my cousin going over to his house late last night, he was fuming!

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That's taking the p1ss, he sounds like a cowboy.
Maybe @[GERMANIKS] could recode it?

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normally John, thats what i would consider, but the "installer" is saying he wants €20 for a service light reset. I had to stop my cousin going over to his house late last night, he was fuming!

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That's taking the p1ss, he sounds like a cowboy.
Maybe @[GERMANIKS] could recode it?

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Thats the "installer" done it John.

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normally John, thats what i would consider, but the "installer" is saying he wants €20 for a service light reset. I had to stop my cousin going over to his house late last night, he was fuming!

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That's taking the p1ss, he sounds like a cowboy.
Maybe @[GERMANIKS] could recode it?

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Thats the "installer" done it John.

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That's a disgrace so and isn't a great recommendation for him.

Iirc this isn't the first bit of work your cousin got him to do that didn't go right. Wasn't the sport button a bit of a mess too?

In that case I'd say he'd be better off trying to get someone else to sort it.

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normally John, thats what i would consider, but the "installer" is saying he wants €20 for a service light reset. I had to stop my cousin going over to his house late last night, he was fuming!

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That's taking the p1ss, he sounds like a cowboy.
Maybe @[GERMANIKS] could recode it?

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Thats the "installer" done it John.

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That's a disgrace so and isn't a great recommendation for him.

Iirc this isn't the first bit of work your cousin got him to do that didn't go right. Wasn't the sport button a bit of a mess too?

In that case I'd say he'd be better off trying to get someone else to sort it.

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Thats why he is fuming, he has spent a small fortune with him, and its just constant error after error at this stage.

That's a disgrace.
Is there anyone else in dublin who can help? I'm sure @[rebel.ranter] could sort it but he has left the big smoke. Hope he gets it sorted.

Keith I appreciate you cousin might be upset but let's not blame that on me.
I have done more CCC and CIC retrofits than many many people around and I never had this issue.
I saw your cousin the other day and ran a diag and reset a few modules but nothing worked.
I did not charge him for that.

Now yes if anyone calls me to reset a warning light I have to charge, I run a business, not a charity. I never charge when I did something wrong, and sometimes I miscode or miswire something, in that case it is free or course.

I have done lots of freebies to yourself and your cousin and my prices were always good value, you never complained about my prices. Nor Keith.
Nothing wrong with that Sport button either. Not sure why this is coming up.
Your cousin bought a faulty CCC that he supplied to me for installation, not my fault if the DVD was not working. He got a new one, I coded it and did not charge anything extra for it.

Keep in mind your cousin bought a LCI CCC version from 2007, this is not meant for his car, which is a 2005 model. This may explain why it would not reset as expected, who knows. Mixing parts from different productions years as one can imagine, does not always work 100%.

Now as I said to your cousin I will try to see if I can find a solution, but so far nothing.
If someone has a suggestion, feel free to share.

After further research it appears your micro filter reset appears to show "OK" in yellow because the reset has been disabled.
My feeling is that it is disabled because you have another item that only has 16% availability (Brake fluid from memory?)
The oil level was due soon with only 17% left and I already reset this item since it was replaced last week according to Keith.

This is from BMW knowledge based taken tonight:
"The reset disable is indicated by the text ”O.K.” in the menu."

Now I have a strong feeling that once this last item will be reset once the maintenance has been performed, it will then be possible to reset the micro filter.

It appears this has little to do with a CCC retrofit after all or a sport button
As for a GT1 computer, it supports up to 2009 software and cars only, so, some weird behaviour may occur when trying to speak to a car with 2012 software.

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After further research it appears your micro filter reset appears to show "OK" in yellow because the reset has been disabled.
My feeling is that it is disabled because you have another item that only has 16% availability (Brake fluid from memory?)
The oil level was due soon with only 17% left and I already reset this item since it was replaced last week according to Keith.

This is from BMW knowledge based taken tonight:
"The reset disable is indicated by the text ”O.K.” in the menu."

Now I have a strong feeling that once this last item will be reset once the maintenance has been performed, it will then be possible to reset the micro filter.

It appears this has little to do with a CCC retrofit after all or a sport button
As for a GT1 computer, it supports up to 2009 software and cars only, so, some weird behaviour may occur when trying to speak to a car with 2012 software.

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Oil has been reset on the iDrive but micro filter still saying over due despite many reset attempts.

I won't pretend to understand coding at all so I can't explain what's going wrong hence the thread but it is deffo something to do with the conversion alright. It worked perfect on his standard iDrive as I reset it when we replaced it early in the year.

The micro filter was not even due to be replaced but it has popped back up on this car for some reason.

I never mentioned anything about charging or monies but considering the work done it was an insult to be told to come up and I'll charge you €20 to reset it.

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After further research it appears your micro filter reset appears to show "OK" in yellow because the reset has been disabled.
My feeling is that it is disabled because you have another item that only has 16% availability (Brake fluid from memory?)
The oil level was due soon with only 17% left and I already reset this item since it was replaced last week according to Keith.

This is from BMW knowledge based taken tonight:
"The reset disable is indicated by the text ”O.K.” in the menu."

Now I have a strong feeling that once this last item will be reset once the maintenance has been performed, it will then be possible to reset the micro filter.

It appears this has little to do with a CCC retrofit after all or a sport button
As for a GT1 computer, it supports up to 2009 software and cars only, so, some weird behaviour may occur when trying to speak to a car with 2012 software.

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Oil has been reset on the iDrive but micro filter still saying over due despite many reset attempts.

I won't pretend to understand coding at all so I can't explain what's going wrong hence the thread but it is deffo something to do with the conversion alright. It worked perfect on his standard iDrive as I reset it when we replaced it early in the year.

The micro filter was not even due to be replaced but it has popped back up on this car for some reason.

I never mentioned anything about charging or monies but considering the work done it was an insult to be told to come up and I'll charge you €20 to reset it.

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The answer has already been provided to you
Do the other service item as instructed and get it reset, micro filter will go away. Oil was not reset either, there was only 16% left on the CBS.

Let's be serious, installing is a CCC iDrive has nothing to do with service CBS. Blaming me for this and pissing all over my business name is lame and you are just looking at another freeby.

Yes sure if you call any garage to get the service reset you will be charged. I do not see why this is an insult. This is unrelated to CCC retrofit. I know some people consider if you pay someone 100 euros to fit and code a CCC, then nothing else will ever need to be paid as the 100 euros will cover anything even unrelated in the future. I get these every now and then. Let's be real.

I am very accommodating and I already reset the oil service for free last week for your cousin who was already complaining he would have to pay the toll bridge to come to my place. Like if I had to refund him.

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After further research it appears your micro filter reset appears to show "OK" in yellow because the reset has been disabled.
My feeling is that it is disabled because you have another item that only has 16% availability (Brake fluid from memory?)
The oil level was due soon with only 17% left and I already reset this item since it was replaced last week according to Keith.

This is from BMW knowledge based taken tonight:
"The reset disable is indicated by the text ”O.K.” in the menu."

Now I have a strong feeling that once this last item will be reset once the maintenance has been performed, it will then be possible to reset the micro filter.

It appears this has little to do with a CCC retrofit after all or a sport button
As for a GT1 computer, it supports up to 2009 software and cars only, so, some weird behaviour may occur when trying to speak to a car with 2012 software.

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Oil has been reset on the iDrive but micro filter still saying over due despite many reset attempts.

I won't pretend to understand coding at all so I can't explain what's going wrong hence the thread but it is deffo something to do with the conversion alright. It worked perfect on his standard iDrive as I reset it when we replaced it early in the year.

The micro filter was not even due to be replaced but it has popped back up on this car for some reason.

I never mentioned anything about charging or monies but considering the work done it was an insult to be told to come up and I'll charge you €20 to reset it.

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The answer has already been provided to you
Do the other service item as instructed and get it reset, micro filter will go away. Oil was not reset either, there was only 16% left on the CBS.

Let's be serious, installing is a CCC iDrive has nothing to do with service CBS. Blaming me for this and pissing all over my business name is lame and you are just looking at another freeby.

Yes sure if you call any garage to get the service reset you will be charged. I do not see why this is an insult. This is unrelated to CCC retrofit. I know some people consider if you pay someone 100 euros to fit and code a CCC, then nothing else will ever need to be paid as the 100 euros will cover anything even unrelated in the future. I get these every now and then. Let's be real.

I am very accommodating and I already reset the oil service for free last week for your cousin who was already complaining he would have to pay the toll bridge to come to my place. Like if I had to refund him.

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The oil has already been reset. The Microfilter still will not reset.
I am not looking for any freebie, it's not my car FFS. I also have never mentioned your business or name on this thread until I was asked who done it. I have not once put down your name or business once so please read the thread carefully if you want to try accuse me of anything.

But seeing as you want to call yourself a business, you should look into aftercare. If you had of said "come up, we take a look and see what the issue is" would not have so bad as to be told, "yes come up €20" before even discussing the issue.

Money is not the issue here, but sometimes attitude can dictate future business.

I reset the oil it was at 16% your cousin asked me to do it as it was done the week before but the counter was not reset. It was not showing up on the cluster/idrive but it was imminent. I did not charge for it as it turns out the problem was not as straight forward as I understood from your texts so I asked him to come so I could see for myself. I said I would look into it and I did. I have posted what I think is the solution. If not let me know and I will have another look.

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I reset the oil it was at 16% your cousin asked me to do it as it was done the week before but the counter was not reset. It was not showing up on the cluster/idrive but it was imminent. I did not charge for it as it turns out the problem was not as straight forward as I understood from your texts so I asked him to come so I could see for myself. I said I would look into it and I did. I have posted what I think is the solution. If not let me know and I will have another look.

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Everything is reset except the the Microfilter.
Oil, fluid, exhaust, pads etc all saying 2015 or 2016.

Still saying Microfilter due in 0 miles?

I don't understand why an independent service item cannot be reset on it's own as it could be done on this car before and on all of my E60's too.

I've also been told this :

One thing to understand is that the CBS items are coded to the Kombi or Cluster.
When u attempt to reset through the push button sequence it can mess up.

What I do with these is to flash update the cluster and recode it.
Then using CBS function with Diag tool reset BACKWARDS the service counters. This usually brings back the capability to reset from cluster.

It's looking like you will have to bring it to someone with Autologic etc.
Where are u in country?

From the diagnostic software I could reset everything everything but the micro filter, it was not even showing up on the list of items here. And I use the latest BMW bling bling software fully legit and up to date.

I came across a video a Youtube 2-3 days ago where a guy in Germany showed the same issue but no solution.

Also another suggestion that was made to me, try to reset the brake fluid first from the cluster, then see if the microfilter is still showing up? If not try to reset the microfilter after you reset the brake fluid and see how it goes.

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I reset the oil it was at 16% your cousin asked me to do it as it was done the week before but the counter was not reset. It was not showing up on the cluster/idrive but it was imminent. I did not charge for it as it turns out the problem was not as straight forward as I understood from your texts so I asked him to come so I could see for myself. I said I would look into it and I did. I have posted what I think is the solution. If not let me know and I will have another look.

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Everything is reset except the the Microfilter.
Oil, fluid, exhaust, pads etc all saying 2015 or 2016.

Still saying Microfilter due in 0 miles?

I don't understand why an independent service item cannot be reset on it's own as it could be done on this car before and on all of my E60's too.

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BMW says in the their knowledge base it is not recommended to do it through the cluster, and in some instances, when the item has reached 0 or is way past due, some items can only be reset with the computer.

Now I have not experimented issues like this before so I can't comment on how messy it can get. I always use the computer.

There is no need to flash the cluster, it is already up to date, the car was fully flashed a few months ago. Now I can do a reset and see how it goes. When you do a reset it does a factory reset. It was done already a few months ago, but who knows. It may work or not. But you may have the same issue again in 12 months, 24 months. I have no idea.

Happy to try that for you

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I've also been told this :

One thing to understand is that the CBS items are coded to the Kombi or Cluster.
When u attempt to reset through the push button sequence it can mess up.

What I do with these is to flash update the cluster and recode it.
Then using CBS function with Diag tool reset BACKWARDS the service counters. This usually brings back the capability to reset from cluster.

It's looking like you will have to bring it to someone with Autologic etc.
Where are u in country?

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I think you need to use Tool32 for a problem like this.

Also note that the Instrument Cluster is the "master" for storing the Condition Based Service" information (page 21 below). So the problem here with this car is unlikely to be due to the CCC retrofit.

http://prodcds.bmwuniversity.com/library/bmw/Technician/Archived%20Courses/ST402%20Body%20Electronics%20III_archive%2011-05/10%20E60%20Driver%20Information.pdf

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BMW says in the their knowledge base it is not recommended to do it through the cluster, and in some instances, when the item has reached 0 or is way past due, some items can only be reset with the computer.

Now I have not experimented issues like this before so I can't comment on how messy it can get. I always use the computer.

There is no need to flash the cluster, it is already up to date, the car was fully flashed a few months ago. Now I can do a reset and see how it goes. When you do a reset it does a factory reset. It was done already a few months ago, but who knows. It may work or not. But you may have the same issue again in 12 months, 24 months. I have no idea.

Happy to try that for you

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I've also been told this :

One thing to understand is that the CBS items are coded to the Kombi or Cluster.
When u attempt to reset through the push button sequence it can mess up.

What I do with these is to flash update the cluster and recode it.
Then using CBS function with Diag tool reset BACKWARDS the service counters. This usually brings back the capability to reset from cluster.

It's looking like you will have to bring it to someone with Autologic etc.
Where are u in country?

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The weird thing is that it was reset way before it was needed. The computer never even reached 0 for the Microfilter. I replaced the micro filter and reset the computer months ago, months before the pro nav fitting. It has only shown up now that it is over due. Since the retro fit was done, it has shown up, I just haven't had the chance to get to him to reset it as I thought it was a straight forward thing, maybe the car the iDrive came from had this item needing done?

I will try reset the other items on the car, then try the Microfilter again to confirm if the issue is with every service item or just the Microfilter.

Thanks for the help so far.

Thanks Mark, keeping an opened mind on this, hopefully will get to the bottom of it.

F#cking electronics , when my microfilter needs doing it lets me know by emitting a funky odour into the cabin very high tech [emoji1][emoji1]

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maybe the car the iDrive came from had this item needing done?

I will try reset the other items on the car, then try the Microfilter again to confirm if the issue is with every service item or just the Microfilter.

Thanks for the help so far.

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Highly doubt so, as Mark pointed out the data is stored in the cluster but also in the keys.
The warning would have shown straight away I suppose, this retrofit was done what, 2 months ago or so?

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maybe the car the iDrive came from had this item needing done?

I will try reset the other items on the car, then try the Microfilter again to confirm if the issue is with every service item or just the Microfilter.

Thanks for the help so far.

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Highly doubt so, as Mark pointed out the data is stored in the cluster but also in the keys.
The warning would have shown straight away I suppose, this retrofit was done what, 2 months ago or so?

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Yeah, give or take. Could the cluster need a reset or anything?

Was in a 2010 E60 520d, on it's iDrive menu there was no option for the micro filter. I'm wondering now is the iDrive system updated to a version which thinks a micro filter comes under a different menu but the speedo thinks it is required?

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Was in a 2010 E60 520d, on it's iDrive menu there was no option for the micro filter. I'm wondering now is the iDrive system updated to a version which thinks a micro filter comes under a different menu but the speedo thinks it is required?

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Afaiks LCIs don't have an option for Micro filters ;)

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Was in a 2010 E60 520d, on it's iDrive menu there was no option for the micro filter. I'm wondering now is the iDrive system updated to a version which thinks a micro filter comes under a different menu but the speedo thinks it is required?

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Afaiks LCIs don't have an option for Micro filters ;)

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That would be correct :wink:

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Was in a 2010 E60 520d, on it's iDrive menu there was no option for the micro filter. I'm wondering now is the iDrive system updated to a version which thinks a micro filter comes under a different menu but the speedo thinks it is required?

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Afaiks LCIs don't have an option for Micro filters ;)

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Yeah i was aware of that from having some LCI's in the house, so it seems that the issue may be because :

Its a 2004 Pre LCI Car.
Has Pro Nav retro Fitted.
LCI Radio

So maybe the LCI radio is causing this confusion?
And to top it off Mr. Healy reset it the other day using some PC wizard work and it has remained off so far!

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Was in a 2010 E60 520d, on it's iDrive menu there was no option for the micro filter. I'm wondering now is the iDrive system updated to a version which thinks a micro filter comes under a different menu but the speedo thinks it is required?

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Radio came from 2007/2008 e60, if that was 2010, that would be a CIC.
CIC came out in 11/2008 in E60.

Option is here for micro filters on LCI but most likely disabled from factory if you guys know the option does not show up. BMW might have decided to "embed" it within another service item and exclude it from the individual list.
This can be coded out from the cluster.

I doubt this has anything to do with the CCC since the data is stored in the cluster and the CCC iDrive only reads that to then present it on the iDrive screen.

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Was in a 2010 E60 520d, on it's iDrive menu there was no option for the micro filter. I'm wondering now is the iDrive system updated to a version which thinks a micro filter comes under a different menu but the speedo thinks it is required?

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Radio came from 2007/2008 e60, if that was 2010, that would be a CIC.
CIC came out in 11/2008 in E60.

Option is here for micro filters on LCI but most likely disabled from factory if you guys know the option does not show up. BMW might have decided to "embed" it within another service item and exclude it from the individual list.
This can be coded out from the cluster.

I doubt this has anything to do with the CCC since the data is stored in the cluster and the CCC iDrive only reads that to then present it on the iDrive screen.

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So what do you think the problem is?
Seemly it hasn't come on since a new battery was fitted and Conor coded it in.

It's a mind boggle!!

I know you can toggle on or off any of the CBS indicators using NCS expert. I enabled an additional one on my car a few years ago for Statutory Emissions Check, originally only Statutory Vehicle Check existed. I keep meaning to disable it again as it's just another one to reset the date on for every NCT.
A quick check with NCS Dummy would verify whether an LCI KOMBI or CCC has the microfilter option in the file.

Lads, just to clarify it seems that a new battery and coding it in fixed the problem on the car;)

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Lads, just to clarify it seems that a new battery and coding it in fixed the problem on the car;)

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Did you get in touch with him after?

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Lads, just to clarify it seems that a new battery and coding it in fixed the problem on the car;)

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Did you get in touch with him after?

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Yep sure did!

Warning came back in today. Strange issue.

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Warning came back in today. Strange issue.

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Tell him to bring it to me over the weekend, I will disable the item so it won't ever come back.

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Warning came back in today. Strange issue.

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Tell him to bring it to me over the weekend, I will disable the item so it won't ever come back.

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I'll pass it on. Thanks Mick.