I know this nox tax thing is out and I haven't a clue
How would one figure a accurate quote on a 2013
120d x drive or similar
Vrt says 2400
Would you be better buying a car here and avoid all this shite
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I know this nox tax thing is out and I haven't a clue
How would one figure a accurate quote on a 2013
120d x drive or similar
Vrt says 2400
Would you be better buying a car here and avoid all this shite
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Its actually not too bad to work out. For a 2011 F20 120d Nox is rated at 146 mg/km
http://www.emissionsfinder.com/bmw-1...ront-rear-20cc
(I dont know how accurate this is so take it with a grain of salt)
So Nox charge is as follows:
https://www.myvehicle.ie/uploads/art...e_bckiASIx.png
https://www.myvehicle.ie/car-news/vrt-nox-emissions
0-60mg/km = 300
60- 80 mg/km = 300
80 - 146 mg/km = 1650
Total 2,250
The actual nox rate for that car might be much lower so double check it, but gives you an idea how to calculate it. The Nox rate for my F10 530d is 40mg/km so I'd be surprised if the one series is as high.
There is spreadsheet on the Revenue website - check if it's listed there:
https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-...ox-charge.aspx
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I got 146g/km of NOx on a different site too, making the NOx charge on top of the VRT calculation extremely expensive to import. Compared to a 118i of the same generation which is 29g/km of NOx resulting in a 145 quid on top of whatever the VRT calculator outputs.
You really need to be buying a euro6 compliant car to save... vrt and nox charges together can be quite ridiculous
Just be careful, from what I've seen digging around there is a definite lack of clarity and consistency about the NOx figures between different sites, and there can be a number of figures relevant to a model depending on precise build date etc. The figure should be on the V5 document so I'd be very careful about buying anything without first seeing that number. A bit like with Co2 figures, the onus of proof will be with the person declaring the car. I imagine it will take some time for that confusion to be properly addressed.
As said, EU6 is really a must for any diesel, or EU5 with a great deal of caution. By and large, regardless of EU compliance level, any petrol within the past 10 years at least, will have a lower NOx level than a same year of diesel. Given the graduated pricing structure I see it all but killing importation of any pre-2012 cars (but mostly diesels) and impacting significantly on the mix up to about 2014/15.
Bye Bye Diesel............
Quick Q about VAT on an imported car.
If you import a car that is less than 6 month sold and/or has less than 6,000kms then VAT is due accordng to the revenue website and citizens informaitons website. One of the examples on the citizens information website shows that an imported car that is 7 months old with 5,000kms is liable for VAT due to not hitting the threshold.
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/e...o_ireland.html
Is there a point in time that the mileage rule is no longer applicable? for example, hypothetically if a UK car that was 5 years old with 1,000 miles was to be imported would that still be liable for VAT?
I know most UK dealers sell used cars (such as the hypothetical one above) under what is known as the "margin scheme" which is not eligible for a UK VAT reclaim too.
I've done a bit of Googling on this & I cannot find anything definitive, I was just wondeirng if anyone had encountered this before.
No, there's no time limit. Both of the conditions needs to be met in order to avoid paying ROI VAT.
However, if a car has less than 6,000km on it or is less than 6 months old it is considered "new" for VAT purposes by HMRC. My experience buying our old F31 which was 13 months old with 1,800 miles on it was the the UK vat could be reclaimed once evidence was provided of ROI VAT being paid. There was a particular form which the dealer had to submit to HMRC to do this and it took a few weeks but I got the money back.
Not relevant to diesels but I’m interested in what this means for importing an M car.
Not sure if I’m calculating correctly but looks like for an F8X M you’ll be at the €600 cap.
Since we hit 2020 I checked the VRT calculator on ROS for a 2014 M4 and it’s now giving a figure of €10,852. I wonder if one of these will be an attractive import proposition this year.
No, VAT is before VRT.
VAT is levied at 23% of the Euro equivalent of the GBP ex-VAT price (whether or not you can reclaim UK VAT)
VRT will be the % of the OMSP of the car here, regardless of your cost to bring it in. For something old with micro mileage they will ring around a number of trusted dealers and ask their view of what the price of the car would be if they brought it in.
Woops, VAT before VRT (VRT Exclusive!)
https://www.revenue.ie/en/tax-profes...r-vehicles.pdf
Thanks for the correction, much appreciated
At the Cork Cars & Coffee there wa s afew guys with F10 M5s and they were saying that th eVRT on them is now less thanonan e60 M5! They were saying €6,600 was VRT on a 2012 F10 M5and €7,800 on a late model e60 M5. Anybody else notice weird changes like this?
Anomalies like this always exist in the VRT system. Generally, examples like this arise because there haven't been many or any e60's imported recently and the Depreciation Code is a legacy that hasn't been revisited in some time. There have probably been a greater number of F10's in recent times so the Depreciation Code is probably more reflective of their view of the OMSP.
A good example is an e63 635d vs. F12 640d. For the crossover year of 2011 the VRT on the 635d is ~€5k while the VRT on the 640d is ~€1500. CO2 group difference contributes to this but the OMSP for the e63 is ~€16k vs ~€6k for the F12.
That's a massive drop on the m4 - you could get one for 40k now :O
That doesn't tally, 11k VRT corresponds to a bit more than a €30k market value
yeah it's valuing it at just over 30k. It was 16/17K when I checked a few months ago
Very interesting. I wonder if M4 prices in the UK are going to continue going down this year like they have been. If early 2014 cars start to hit the low £20k’s you could be looking at closer to €35k to get one on the road in ROI, which would be pretty astonishing.
Just VRT'd my F30 today and paid a whopping €160 NOX surcharge.
They go by the figure on the V5 document..the spreadsheet on the revenue site outlining NOX levels was wrong for my car, so you cant rely on it...only on the V5
i cant figure out what the vrt is on a 2014 118d with 115g/km
any help
Making a few assumptions, I did a quick check.
F20 118d, May 2014, 60k miles, Manual, 5dr, M Sport is coming in at 2620 Euro using the VRT calculator. Additional to that is the NOx charge whch was brought in on the 1st Jan, which is calculated as ....
- The first 0-60 mg/km; 5 Euro per mg
- The next 20 mg/km (60-80mg); 15 Euro per mg
- The remainder above 80 mg; 25 Euro per mg
Capped at 4850 for diesels, or 600 for any other type of cars
So, 2620 (CO2 calculation) plus 1475 (NOx charge)
Total to land it of 4095...based on the assumptions above..the CO2 actually shows 114g/km for the one I worked it out on, but unlikely to be much more.
If you want to provide more info like above, I can try get a more accurate calculation.
I think that all.i need to know
Its out of the question at that rate
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Funny the Revenue details for that model show a NoX value of 29mg/km working out at €145 on top of VRT.
The only real way to tell is to check the V5 document (or get the seller to check it for you). This is the document that revenue will use. It's detailed on Section V.3.
It's a bit of a minefield.
Luckily the little 2003 325ti is only 17mg/km so only €85
Eamon are you taking about the 1 series
If the nox is a few hundred euro il probably
Take if its 1900 then no
I'm.so confused now
I think the spec on the sales page of the car 115k GM
Im not sure if that's correct
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Jesus, sorry....I used the CO2 value as the NOx value....my bad. So 2760 or so VRT. Apologises!
Good spot Eamonn
The NOx value can be got here... https://carfueldata.vehicle-certific...agency.gov.uk/
Tread very carefully on the NOx levy.
Accurate mg/km figures are not easy to nail down as there can be several values for any given model and year. For petrols the figures are generallly quite low so if there's a surprise it shouldn't hurt too much, but the graduating hit on diesels is pretty vicious is you get it wrong. A 2012 535d could be €255 or €2800 according to the VRT Calculator Spreadsheet. Assuming a car was the lower figure and getting hit with the higher one would sting. Also, the spreadsheet is incomplete and some of their figures may not be 100% accurate. Other information sources can be similarly unclear.
As said, the V5 is the only reliable source of the data.
would anyone know an exact figure a 2014 118d 5 door , this nox shite is the major deciding factor on the purchase of this car
unless i call the dealer and ask for the v5 info
thanks donal,
Would I be correct in saying the nox levy on this is euro 115https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...2b36cec338.jpg
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Yep, but make sure it's the same as the V5 figure. The figure on the revenue spreadsheet for.my car was lower than the V5 figure and I had to pay the amount based on the V5 figure
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