What would you have?
Remember 2010+ and less than €20K. Has to be something fantastic to drive!
E46 M3 + spare cash for running costs/up keep not a valid answer :p
Doesn't have to be a BMW!
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What would you have?
Remember 2010+ and less than €20K. Has to be something fantastic to drive!
E46 M3 + spare cash for running costs/up keep not a valid answer :p
Doesn't have to be a BMW!
335d maybe?
edit: just saw the 2010 bit, rules out a 335d anyways.
If it's a BMW it will more than likely be an e92 335, but I just wanted to pick people's brain and kind of think outside the box, what else could be gotten for the same money that would just be an absolute joy to drive?Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkySeeFunkyDoo
Edit: Yea the 335d is a bit more, but I would be leaning towards the 335i.
Carzone tells me that I can have a Mini Countryman, A4, A5, A6, 316d, 318d, 320d, Qashqui +2, 520d, C Class, Ford Galaxy, S-Max, Diahatsu Copen, Passat.. :sad:
Not a huge range of exciting stuff unfortunately.. Think it's the 2010+ limit that narrows it so much.. For 20K I'd want a lot more!!
Yea the 2010+ is to squeeze as much hassle free motoring as possible out of it (would only go for low mileage examples as well). When you think 08 cars will be 7 years old in a couple of months... Don't want to buy a car that's just about to start needing everything replaced as being a newish car it won't be cheap either.
Doesn't exist imoQuote:
Originally Posted by Peter-E36
Yeah, I know what you mean. 08 doesn't seem that long ago at all!!! :surprised:
My cousin recently bought an A5 Sportback which I have to say is a very nice place to be. Wasn't driving it mind you, but as a passenger was lovely & styling wise, if you can get an S-Line I think they look great!
If money wasn't an option, I'd have an A7 to try it out!! Not much else appealing to me these days (which is fine cos I haven't the money to be changing anyway!!)
It does, I just don't like the options :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Gar
MX5 for example.. I'm sure it'll be nice to drive but no thank you... :D
Its going to be something hot hatch being so new gti,vrs or french/jap etc
Me personally id step back a year or two it opens the selection up much more
Hmm what if it was 2008+ what would you go for then?
How about this.
Honda Accord Type S.
http://www.carzone.ie/search/Honda/Accord/Type-S--/45313973968792240/advert?channel=CARS
Slightly over budget but low miles, great build quality and plenty of power
My sister has one. Great car to drive and well spec'd as well.
What are you looking for Peter? You must have something in mind or to compare to? 07/08+ at 20k, I don't know your situation, but I'd be looking to try stretch to e9X M3s! You should get an 08 in the old tax which is €1809 per annum. Later ones, afaik were ~€2300 to tax!
335 or late e92 330i msportQuote:
Originally Posted by Peter-E36
http://m.compucars.co.uk/Vehicle/Details/4023322
Them little M135i's are seriously quick is well not sure on the going rate on them at the moment
http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/3-Series/335i-M-S/92614132976618810/advert?channel=CARS
Nice car I'm sure but wouldn't be for me to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Scout
In a nut shell: pokey petrol powered RWD Coupe (or possibly roadster) that's not a money pit. As much as I'd love one, I wouldn't be able to maintain an e9x M3 Paddy, have to be realistic with myself :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Paddy
Having owned a variety of cars before I always preferred BMWs (near 50/50 weight distribution, styling etc) but I'm a little put off by the newer cars so I'm trying to think outside the box a little bit. I just fancy something that puts a smile on your face everytime you drive it basically!
That's lovely John :) low mileage and all. I think if I was to go for a new-ish BMW it would be something like that or a Z4.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnH
http://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=1144969&r=s.php%3Fm%3D208%26g%3D0
The only thing that jumps out at me is 50% over budget :
http://www.carzone.ie/search/Toyota/GT86/**Top-Ge/36613745858029470/advert?channel=CARS
It's an impossible task looking for a completely reliable performance car, to get the peace of mind you want the only option I can see is buy from a dealer with full warranty, just buy a good E46 M3 and bank the rest for rainy day money [emoji1]
Wouldn't mind that for a day :pQuote:
Originally Posted by FunkySeeFunkyDoo
Something with a warranty would be ideal, but do they not only give proper warranties on cars that are couple of years old max?Quote:
Originally Posted by KevinF
GT86 would lack the BMW feel, but ticks all the boxes otherwise. Hasn't come down in price enough just yet though unfortunately.
Even has the right reg for you
http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/1-Series/123d-SE-/94014138217038050/advert?channel=CARS
Regards,
Andy
I always admired that engine's performance despite it being the dreaded n47, a 123d coupé m-sport would be kinda cool :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy
http://m.carzone.ie/used-cars/Audi-S3-2.0-TFSI-265BHP-QUATTRO-6-SPORT/201428225312248
http://m.carzone.ie/used-cars/Audi-S5-S5-4.2-V8...JUST-SOLD...354-BHP....FULL-FRANCHISE-DEALER-SERVICE-HISTORY..OPN-7-DAYS-A-WEEK../72414080298490430
http://m.carzone.ie/used-cars/Subaru-Impreza-WRX-4DR/71614086979993730
http://m.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=994300&r=s.php%3Fm%3D26%26o%3D253%26nx%3D32%26nn%3D13%26y x%3D2012%26yn%3D2008%26g%3D0
S5 is a bit over but there just ideas rather then anything else
Nice one Gar, keep the ideas coming :)
I'm in the same position Peter, considering a newer car at the start of next year. No matter what way you look at it, purchasing a newer car to avoid maintenance costs is false economy. You'll lose the difference in depreciation anyway :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter-E36
It's not so much about economy as much as it is about wanting hassle free motoring. I'd rather pay the same cost of maintenance upfront and lose it on depreciation than always have something that needs to be done.. The worry is after you already pay a lot for a newer car, something goes bang and you still end up paying to fix stuff that shouldn't need fixing... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Ketron
http://www.carzone.ie/search/Porsche/Boxster/2.7-2DR-/201438227105036/advert?channel=CARS
Nah :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Steve320
Nice oil burner for ya:
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-3-series-330d-m-sport-coupe/7948527
Bit on the older + pricer side all the same, I'm thinking 330d 08+ with all the bells and whistles if one turns up :)
This thread will do a massive loop and you will end up in either an s54 z4/m3 or johns imola gtII
Fuck the reg plate you know it makes sense johns poured cash onto that e36 it will steer you the right way and you wont lose a penny come sale time [emoji6]
http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/M3/EVO-GT-I/90814127995713330/advert?channel=CARS
You know I'd love to Gar, but I poured cash into mine as well and can't see an end to it. I don't enjoy it anymore, it's not fun. It would be if I was doing the work myself but even a vaccum leak a couple of months ago had me running around like a headless chicken trying to sort it. No more. I genuinely don't want a newer car for a myriad of reasons but just had enough at this stage.
I've had new company cars in the past straight out of the box & they do go wrong too. However it was less likely/frequent than older cars.
It really depends on what you want from a car, and what your preferred method of watching your money flitter away is.
Option 1: With a newer, low mileage car the biggest spend is probably depreciation. It is craziness on paper but the upside is a car that in theory is more reliable, safer & less costly on the maintenance side of things.
Option 2: Maintaining an older car properly can be expensive, example is my recent purchase of front arms for the e39. €550 for 4 Lemforder arms & I still have to fit them, that's a fair chunk of change, a couple of jobs like that thrown in a couple of times a year & it starts to creep in to depreciation territory. I got that car nearly 10 years ago with 50k miles & the depreciation was the biggest cost for the first 4 years.
Option 3: The other option is to gamble with an older car & skimp on the maintenance but this can be risky, will the cooling system crap out at the wrong time leaving you stranded at the side of the road? Do you feel lucky enough that your alternator won't fail on the way to that important new job interview?
Option 1 & Option 2 can end up costing the same amount it's just you're ponying up the cash up front for Option 1. Option 2 might give you the advantage of getting something more interestng but you run the risk of it becoming an option 3 car if a pricey fix is required at some point. The e39 started out for me as a reliable "option 1" car? A 4 year old lower miler that has transitioned to an "option 2" car and I'm wondering if it will soon be time to either stop spending money on it & gamble or just start again with another "option 1" car.
Don't forget though, every car needs maintenance & servicing, plus there is always just bad luck so that's always hanging in the background.
There's other ways to do this too:
You could look at leasing too, but be sure that you factor in the deposit when working out the true monthly cost, you'll see €299 per month but you also have to factor in the €10k deposit as a cost over the 36 months. Costs are more predictable, warranty and maintance included so less chance of unknown costs. You've nothing at the end of it though so it's really like a long term rental car.
Get a decent car & shift it in every 6 months, buy right each time & you might actually make few quid along the way. A mate of mine does this, he never loses money on cars. However it's a right pain in the arse when he is in between cars & the whole collecting & dropping off cars bit, advertising, dealing with the usual DD numpties, etc.
That's the exact thought process I was going over endlessly in my head Mark, and although (as mentioned in many previous threads before) I prefer the look, feel, and simple technology of an older car, I think I'm ready for an "option 1" car. My dilemma is new BMWs seem to be unreliable. Money aside, I would be absolutely fuming if I spent 20 grand on a "new" car and then 4 months later have a timing chain issue or something to the tune of that going wrong...
http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/3-Series/318d-M-S/83214112357249420/advert?channel=CARS
Not exactly a performance car...and if I was buying a 318d or 320d I'd want a 2 year dealer warranty.
What about a + 08 335i? Tax isn't terrible on them and you'd get one with a dealer warranty that age maybe?
08+ 335i would be the way to go alright, 4 cylinder diesel not so much :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Don B
Any more pokey non-BMW Sports Coupe/roadster suggestions? :)
Would you consider importing something? S54 powered Z4M Coupe would be a very rare sight over here!!! 17 listed on pistonheads:
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds?Category=used-cars&M=1149
I don't know what the VRT would be, and the sterling exchange rate is pretty bad right now so probably not too viable an option!
Yea I don't think it's a viable option Paddy. As far as Z4s go, a 08 E85 265bhp 3.0 SI Roadster would be the one I'd go for. That or a 08 335i e92. Think that's case closed for BMW options. Otherwise I just saw that S2000s were made up until 2009?? Is that right? Could be an option if so! A GT86 would be nice too but cheapest online is 28k doubt it will drop 8 k in the new year :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Paddy
If I was avoiding BMW and I had that budget I'd be going for the lowest mileage A5 I could find. Something like this, only did a very quick search and I think a trip across the pond would yield an even better deal:
ttp://www.carzone.ie/search/Audi/A5/201437226873823/advert?channel=CARS
46k kms, 2010, quite a nice car. Easy on the tax & fuel economy, not blisteringly fast but not slow either. Flog it for €14-15k in two years and go again. Here's a 2008 with same mileage for €4k less:
http://www.carzone.ie/search/Audi/A5/COUPE-1./93314138141326730/advert?channel=CARS
Would like the coupe & €4k in the rainy day fund or a 20% reduction in repayments if it was a Liam you were going for.
What about an e87 135i
Fifth Gear- BMW 1series Coupe VS.Porsche Cayman D…: http://youtu.be/oE8PiGmSC8I
I like the look of A5s but I would prefer an e92 to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by rebel.ranter
I'd say I have a clearer idea now anyway. It's just a matter of selling the e36, doing a bit of homework, and taking a decision.
Cheers Folks :) You're always a helpful bunch!
Something like this
300bhp
300 lb/ft torque
0-60 in 5.0 seconds
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/bmw/1-series/bmw-135i-coupe--7-speed-dct/2835176
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14...9282bfdc6d.jpg
Its stunning wouldnt mind this for myself [emoji41]