Are we all going to ignore the elephant in the room...?

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05-06-20, 17:23
Peter-E36

Are we all going to ignore the elephant in the room...?

The new 4 series is out and it's HIDEOUS!!!

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...18acf18b_c.jpg

There were doubts about bangle stuff in the past, but there are zero doubts about this one :D

I know I personally couldn't get passed the looks, but in case BMW are reading or anyone with any sort of influence is, and for the interest of fair and genuine feedback...

Would you - a loyal BMW enthusiast, on a dedicated BMW forum - ever see yourself in this 4 series now or at any point?

Please vote using the poll.
05-06-20, 18:35
Curran

I didnt vote! But yes, I could see myself buying one but I dont like the styling (yet).

Sometimes there needs to be a big change for the designers to be able to take a new direction...think E30 to E36 and the upset over losing the twin head nights.
If you look at Audi's their grille is massive also and you wouldnt comment or look twice when they drive by now. The X7 are crazy big too but having seen 2 or 3 now, they somehow dont seem sooo big.
Other than the grille I think it's a very handsome car....just needs some braces fitted to that big grin. The LCI might be interesting!
05-06-20, 19:27
kdevitt

I actually think its worse looking than the X7, which is really saying something. I could live with a major deviation from their current design if it was good looking, but its not. This is a change for the sake of change - even the BMW designers admit that 50% of people will hate it.

Its fair to say I won't be buying one, or a current 3er for that matter.
05-06-20, 19:56
wcooba

I actually think it’s pretty handsome car from the rear or side angles. As for the grille - it is weird and could be unsettling. But probably it’s homage to the old legacy:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...a75308bd71.jpg

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05-06-20, 20:06
rebel.ranter

I saw the concept in the flesh and this is very close to it. Apart from the grilles the rest of the car is actually really nice. I agree with Dave, the more of these that pop up out on the wild the more we will get used to them and it will be the new benchmark.

I remember when the e34 5 Series came out I though BMW had lost the plot as they went so far away from the e28. It was almost like heresy! However, over time I actually grew to like it and actually owned one back in 1999.

Roll on a few years after that and the Z9 concept was investors by Bangle which went on to become the e63 6 Series, again I thought this was a disaster, hated the e63, bit I now have two of them and I personally think they look contemporary even today. It will take something special to fill their boots on my driveway.

I’ll wait till I see a well specced and nice colour car before I fully make my mind up.
05-06-20, 20:10
wcooba

The poll is not visible in Tapatalk Peter.

Anyway this is pretty good video showing it in the motion from around 6th minute:

https://youtu.be/KamSS8XJu3M

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05-06-20, 21:44
kdevitt

Quote:

Originally Posted by rebel.ranter

Z9 concept was investors by Bangle which went on to become the e63 6 Series, again I thought this was a disaster, hated the e63, bit I now have two of them and I personally think they look contemporary even today. It will take something special to fill their boots on my driveway.

Taste is all relative of course, but Bangles radical designs - mainly the E60 are E63 - were never lookers imo - and their styling cues were basically abandoned by the models that superseded them.

Of course, these models are now being designed for the Chinese and Middle East markets, so they might not abandon the radical bugs bunny look as easily.
06-06-20, 11:25
dergside

I think the poll options are a little restrictive. I'm defo not mad about the nose, but generally find the rest of the styling quite attractive. I daresay that familiarity will soften the feelings about the snout (I wasn't a fan of the e60 early on, but have happily smoked around in one for the past few years) and since it will be a few years before the venn diagram of the car price and my budget overlap I daresay I'll be able to get past it.

I hadn't picked up on it before, but just looked at a few photo's and can see a hint of the Z4/Supra in the rear 3/4 view.
06-06-20, 16:47
Peter-E36

Looks like 44.44% of you should’ve gone to specsavers :D

Ah no, it would be boring if everybody had the same opinion.
06-06-20, 19:37
Ketron

I really dont like it, but I do agree with the above sentiment, it will most likely grow on people as the years go by!
06-06-20, 20:11
dergside

I think it will look better with a six cylinder engine.
06-06-20, 20:13
kdevitt

Quote:

Originally Posted by dergside

I think it will look better with a six cylinder engine.

....or after it hits the back of a bus
08-06-20, 10:08
CitizenKane

I don't like it and I voted No, but I accept it's conceivable that it could grow on me and it might look better in the flesh.
08-06-20, 10:46
Felix

Apart from the huge grill I think it looks great. It will take some time to get used to that face though.
08-06-20, 21:31
kdevitt

Stuck a similar point on a different thread in relation to stupidly oversized front grilles - the 7 LCI is almost 18 month old now. Anyone think it looks good now that some time has passed?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YBGexferzvo/maxresdefault.jpg
10-06-20, 09:15
Felix

Quote:

Originally Posted by kdevitt

Stuck a similar point on a different thread in relation to stupidly oversized front grilles - the 7 LCI is almost 18 month old now. Anyone think it looks good now that some time has passed?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YBGexferzvo/maxresdefault.jpg

It's still too big!
11-06-20, 08:58
dergside

I think we should open a book on how many of the people voting that they can't get past the looks (4 series) will own one of these in the next, say, 10 years?
11-06-20, 11:51
Curran

On the 7er and X5 / X7 the size is somewhat an issue but in time I'll be able to see past it. I think I've more issue with the fact they appear to be cheap quality...almost as if they took an OEM grille and wrapped it in Chrome.
12-06-20, 12:47
CitizenKane

The 7 series grille still looks a bit OTT, but the 4 series is on a different level. It's not just about the size but the shape. I get they might be an homage to the earlier days of the marque, but I'm just not sure it works. It's like it's trying to respect both the earlier tall/narrow style and the newer wide/deep style but it achieves neither and just ends up looking confused.
21-07-20, 17:10
Peter-E36

So let's review, 80% of BMW enthusiasts think it's hideous :D

Your move, BMW.
21-07-20, 18:00
dergside

And 30% of them will probably own one at some time in the future........
23-07-20, 19:09
CitizenKane

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter-E36

So let's review, 80% of BMW enthusiasts think it's hideous :D

Your move, BMW.

😂

I guess the problem is that most people who buy a standard 4 series probably won’t be “enthusiasts”, and the percentage of them that think it’s hideous will probably be a lot lower.
23-07-20, 21:50
Peter-E36

Quote:

Originally Posted by CitizenKane

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I guess the problem is that most people who buy a standard 4 series probably won’t be “enthusiasts”, and the percentage of them that think it’s hideous will probably be a lot lower.

Shhhh, they'll hear you! :D

Sadly that is the case.
24-07-20, 06:40
Dillon

I like it, could see myself buying an i4 in afew years
12-08-20, 17:42
318 iS Cosmos

Oooh, M3 Touring on the way?
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...242951fb05.jpg

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12-08-20, 19:30
kdevitt

Quote:

Originally Posted by 318 iS Cosmos

Oooh, M3 Touring on the way?
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...242951fb05.jpg

Seems like it'll be getting that horror show of a front end as well.
12-08-20, 20:45
Peter-E36

At this stage, I’m pretty confident (read: hopeful) that there will be an aftermarket solution. Now I’m just looking forward to seeing what that will be like.
14-08-20, 09:18
DoktorB

No shock why they are picturing from the rear!

Awd blown 6pot doesnt really excite me.
But I'm sure it will be a mighty daily driver.

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14-08-20, 09:19
kdevitt

Interesting vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSj1Nj2rTc8
22-09-20, 06:55
tonyd

https://www.caradvice.com.au/885741/...-of-unveiling/

https://media.caradvice.com.au/image...ju8gjif0db.jpg

https://media.caradvice.com.au/image...hajwgdkexd.jpg
22-09-20, 07:09
Peter-E36

Yea... no amount of time passing is gonna make that any less horrendous. Good god, the horizontal slats make it 10 times worse!
22-09-20, 09:20
dergside

I was following a current 840i briefly a couple of days ago and the thought struck me that the fussiness of the rear, lights, slashes, etc. could have been straight off a Lexus coupe. The same thought strikes me about the yellow (or is it green) M4 coupe in the photos, above.
22-09-20, 10:10
kdevitt

Quote:

Originally Posted by dergside

I was following a current 840i briefly a couple of days ago and the thought struck me that the fussiness of the rear, lights, slashes, etc. could have been straight off a Lexus coupe. The same thought strikes me about the yellow (or is it green) M4 coupe in the photos, above.

Sure the current 3er has a heavy Lexus vibe - from the fussy front lights right down to the rears.
22-09-20, 11:20
ian.j

New m3 reminds me of an alfa gulia quadrifoglio.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...2ac7f1aecc.jpg

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24-09-20, 12:47
DoktorB

Its all very sad.
I watched the video of the new Head of Design describing the new M4 and M3.
Its clear to me he doesnt understand what a BMW represents and what it is supposed to be let alone an M car.
Theres not one traditional styling cue on either car.
He was just regurgitating bland rhetoric. Bring back Van Hoydonk!

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24-09-20, 13:33
dergside

Its all changing.... I read a piece somewhere recently suggesting that the Hoffman kink is dead. I'm nearly old enough to buy a Mercedes, or something else, now.

All joking aside, I'm finding it harder to find a daily driver from BMW that provides something to release some endorphins and provide some driving involvement as time goes by. A few years ago my shopping list would have included rwd, a 6cyl engine - preferably petrol, a manual gearbox & a sunroof. I gave up on the gearbox and ESR a few years back, and in reality have only added some need for a moderate level of CO2 and NOx (still prepared to pay relatively high road tax, but would appreciate if its a bit less than current CC based rogering).

I'm sort of on the prowl now for a replacement for the 530i e60, but its looking more and more like the 6cyl petrol engine is going to be a tough one. Activehybrid 5 looks like the nearest possible fit (or a 530d, but still not overly enamored with stopping at the black pump), but I'm cautious on some of that tech when its 10 years out of the factory. For that reason, I'm also considering going to the opposite extreme with something like an i3, either EV or REX with a view to minimizing spend on the daily and putting the savings in to the weekend toys.

Many current and -1 generation BMW's are losing their appeal to me, for reasons such as design, driver focus, quality, etc, hence why Mrs D's most recent daily has been from VW rather than BMW, for the first time in many years. Maybe I'm just maturing beyond their target demographic...... :)
24-09-20, 15:54
Ketron

I watched a top gear preview of the new M3/M4 last night and I honestly cant get over how hideous they look. Its the first time I've seen an 'M' that I actually have zero intention or want to ever own.
24-09-20, 16:53
dergside

Quote:

Originally Posted by dergside

Its all changing.... I read a piece somewhere recently suggesting that the Hoffman kink is dead.

Bit of a brainfart there that people were kind enough not to comment on - should have read Hoffmeister kink.
24-09-20, 18:18
kdevitt

Quote:

Originally Posted by dergside

Bit of a brainfart there that people were kind enough not to comment on - should have read Hoffmeister kink.

I was putting it down to autocorrect!

Anyway - apart from the 8er I don't see anything in the current lineup that I'd be interested in. Came up behind a new 1er on the M1 a few weeks back - looked great from behind, by the front of it is awful. The grilles need to be toned down throughout the range.
24-09-20, 18:57
DoktorB

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...65372690166436

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