New vrt rates question

[claude]

I know this nox tax thing is out and I haven't a clue
How would one figure a accurate quote on a 2013
120d x drive or similar
Vrt says 2400
Would you be better buying a car here and avoid all this shite

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[Ketron]

Its actually not too bad to work out. For a 2011 F20 120d Nox is rated at 146 mg/km

http://www.emissionsfinder.com/bmw-1...ront-rear-20cc

(I dont know how accurate this is so take it with a grain of salt)

So Nox charge is as follows:



https://www.myvehicle.ie/car-news/vrt-nox-emissions

0-60mg/km = 300
60- 80 mg/km = 300
80 - 146 mg/km = 1650

Total 2,250

The actual nox rate for that car might be much lower so double check it, but gives you an idea how to calculate it. The Nox rate for my F10 530d is 40mg/km so I'd be surprised if the one series is as high.

[wcooba]

There is spreadsheet on the Revenue website - check if it's listed there:

https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-...ox-charge.aspx

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[Curran]

I got 146g/km of NOx on a different site too, making the NOx charge on top of the VRT calculation extremely expensive to import. Compared to a 118i of the same generation which is 29g/km of NOx resulting in a 145 quid on top of whatever the VRT calculator outputs.

[Obriener2054]

You really need to be buying a euro6 compliant car to save... vrt and nox charges together can be quite ridiculous

[dergside]

Just be careful, from what I've seen digging around there is a definite lack of clarity and consistency about the NOx figures between different sites, and there can be a number of figures relevant to a model depending on precise build date etc. The figure should be on the V5 document so I'd be very careful about buying anything without first seeing that number. A bit like with Co2 figures, the onus of proof will be with the person declaring the car. I imagine it will take some time for that confusion to be properly addressed.

As said, EU6 is really a must for any diesel, or EU5 with a great deal of caution. By and large, regardless of EU compliance level, any petrol within the past 10 years at least, will have a lower NOx level than a same year of diesel. Given the graduated pricing structure I see it all but killing importation of any pre-2012 cars (but mostly diesels) and impacting significantly on the mix up to about 2014/15.

[IRISHD M3]

Bye Bye Diesel............

[rebel.ranter]

Quick Q about VAT on an imported car.

If you import a car that is less than 6 month sold and/or has less than 6,000kms then VAT is due accordng to the revenue website and citizens informaitons website. One of the examples on the citizens information website shows that an imported car that is 7 months old with 5,000kms is liable for VAT due to not hitting the threshold.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/e...o_ireland.html

Is there a point in time that the mileage rule is no longer applicable? for example, hypothetically if a UK car that was 5 years old with 1,000 miles was to be imported would that still be liable for VAT?

I know most UK dealers sell used cars (such as the hypothetical one above) under what is known as the "margin scheme" which is not eligible for a UK VAT reclaim too.

I've done a bit of Googling on this & I cannot find anything definitive, I was just wondeirng if anyone had encountered this before.

[JohnH]

Is there a point in time that the mileage rule is no longer applicable? for example, hypothetically if a UK car that was 5 years old with 1,000 miles was to be imported would that still be liable for VAT?

I know most UK dealers sell used cars (such as the hypothetical one above) under what is known as the "margin scheme" which is not eligible for a UK VAT reclaim too.

No, there's no time limit. Both of the conditions needs to be met in order to avoid paying ROI VAT.

However, if a car has less than 6,000km on it or is less than 6 months old it is considered "new" for VAT purposes by HMRC. My experience buying our old F31 which was 13 months old with 1,800 miles on it was the the UK vat could be reclaimed once evidence was provided of ROI VAT being paid. There was a particular form which the dealer had to submit to HMRC to do this and it took a few weeks but I got the money back.

[rebel.ranter]

No, there's no time limit. Both of the conditions needs to be met in order to avoid paying ROI VAT.

However, if a car has less than 6,000km on it or is less than 6 months old it is considered "new" for VAT purposes by HMRC. My experience buying our old F31 which was 13 months old with 1,800 miles on it was the the UK vat could be reclaimed once evidence was provided of ROI VAT being paid. There was a particular form which the dealer had to submit to HMRC to do this and it took a few weeks but I got the money back.

Thanks John the VAT is calculated AFTER VRT right?