Oh there we'll documented since the 80 blew up at 6am Christmas morning going to work but yea I never liked them from haldex all the way to there stupid far slung over the datum engines I think it was the rs6 that used the v10, same as the merci and r8 actually so at least they sounded nice..but they in my book will be 2nd best to BMW in everything they do..hell I'd even go as far as say I'd prefer a merc !! and for me that's shocking