Folks, I'm not thinking about closing this thread as I don't like doing stuff like that, but I just want to say that I also don't really want this to turn into an "us vs them" thread. More stuff is going to end up getting said (on both sides) that will be regretted down the line

As Gar says, the setting up of Haus was never a personal thing, we thought and still think there was a requirement for it. Some people agree, some don't. That's all